Wikipedia:Help for Non-Japanese Speakers

これはこのページの過去の版です。Jason6494 (会話 | 投稿記録) による 2016年10月14日 (金) 06:47 （個人設定で未設定ならUTC）時点の版 (→‎あの、すみません。)であり、現在の版とは大きく異なる場合があります。

This is a page for non-Japanese speakers to discuss anything related to the JAPANESE Wikipedia.
外国語話者向けの日本語版ウィキペディアの議論
You can also request assistance for your works on the Japanese Wikipedia.
日本語話者向け議論ページ

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Question about Japanese spaceflight industry

Is there technical or economic interest by editors in the Japanese spaceflight industry? And might those editors be willing to help with content about that in the English Wikipedia?

Recent legislation in Japan is mentioned on the English wiki here: Space launch market competition#Raising private capital].

Apparently, the Japanese legislature is considering legislation to allow private company spaceflight initiatives in Japan under Japanese law.

While it remains to be seen whether the legislation becomes law and, if so, whether significant private capital will enter the Japanese space launch industry, it would be super helpful if someone with a technical or economic interest in the Japanese spaceflight industry, might keep their eyes on what happens with this legislation (in the Japanese press), and improve that Japan-related content on the English Wikipedia as the situation warrants. N2e（会話） 2015年6月12日 (金) 20:59 (UTC)[返信]

Might it be possible for someone who reads Japanese to just do some quick searches to see if this legislation ever became law in Japan? It would seem the legislation should have either been rejected, or passed, by now. Thanks. N2e（会話） 2016年2月5日 (金) 04:26 (UTC)[返信]
In 2007, a draft of the Basic Space Law was submitted to the congress by the Japan Liberal Democratic Party and others, but rejected. In 2008, another draft was submitted again and has been legislated on 28 May. See ja:宇宙基本法. It would make me happy if this information is useful for you. --QuirkyQuidnuncY（会話） 2016年2月7日 (日) 12:54 (UTC)[返信]
No, I don't think 宇宙基本法 is it. The English Wikipedia article cites a Yomiuri article in 2015 that talks about the bill to be submitted next year (i.e., this year). We're only one month into this year's ordinary Diet session, and we have no news of yet about the bill. My best guess is that it is in its final drafting stages. For a while now, the Cabinet [1] and JAXA [2] has been talking about "宇宙活動法" to allow greater private sector activities, so I belive this is the relevant bill. --朝彦（会話） 2016年2月9日 (火) 08:05 (UTC)[返信]

en:Philmont Scout Ranch

Can a Japanese speaker who knows a lot about Scouting please create this article on the Japanese Wikipeda with the title being transliterated? Thanks. Philmonte101（会話） 2015年12月25日 (金) 21:11 (UTC)[返信]

Do you know if it's common for Japanese people to go to this place? Of course any notable subject is eligible for an article on JAwiki. Personally I try to focus on subjects that are likely to be of interest to a JAwiki audience. If you can find evidence that it's popular with Japanese people and/or a reliable source about this place in Japanese that would be great. WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年2月9日 (火) 21:36 (UTC)[返信]

Woodworking terms help

If someone can come help at en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Translation help, that would be great. I don't know these woodworking (木工) terms. Thank you! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 2016年1月9日 (土) 21:07 (UTC)[返信]

Japanese pronunciation of the word "スキャンダル"

May I ask how do you guys pronunce the word "スキャンダル"? sɯkjandaɽɯ, sɯ̥kjandaɽɯ (is the first "u" voiceless?) or something completely different? Any chance that a native Japanese speaker could record it and upload it to Commons? Sillent DX（会話） 2016年1月14日 (木) 18:39 (UTC)[返信]

The first "u" is voiceless in standard Japanese. You can hear native pronunciation at スキャンダル and 愛人スキャンダル on Forvo. --Ryota7906（会話） 2016年1月20日 (水) 13:20 (UTC)[返信]
Thanks! Sillent DX（会話） 2016年1月21日 (木) 08:32 (UTC)[返信]

a crowdcontribution to Wikipedias 15th birthday

PAGEID: 3274232 · links here · purge ↺ · section=0 · REVISIONID: - · permanent link

Dear friends! Wikipedia versions is a Wikidata approach to display additional information to special:SiteMatrix. Nevertheless the titles and descriptions of the Wikidata items need translations in many languages. Maybe you can spend some minutes to add a few translations today. Best regards I18n（会話） 2016年1月15日 (金) 06:55 (UTC)[返信]

WMF projects - translation of Wikidata labels and descriptions

https://ja.wikipedia.org/?curid=3274232#WMF_projects links here
lang=ja : ?lang=ja&props=31,218,219,220,506,1406&q=claim[1800] – 日本語

Dear friends! Today is Wikipedias 15th birthday. I want to let you know that the number of d:Wikidata:Database reports/WMF projects there is also the page Wikipedia versions has increased to more then 409. The list contains pages from Wikibook project pages to Wikiversity and Wiktionary project pages. You may be interested in adding Wikidata labels and descriptions in your language. Only a few, maybe five. Please follow also the discussion at d:property talk:P218 and comment there.
Maybe you can translate this and use it somewhere: If this is your first edit at wikidata: First go to Wikipedia_versions?setlang=ja. This will select the interface language for you. Then open the label links you want to translate in a new browser tab for each link. You should see an edit button and you should be able to insert the label in the corresponding field using a click/doubleklick. Same for the description and alias. Save your changes and go to another label link from the main list. Good luck!
Best regards Gangleri also aka I18n（会話） 2016年1月15日 (金) 06:55 (UTC) / I18n（会話） 2016年1月15日 (金) 09:15 (UTC)[返信]

1,000,000 articles

Congratulations for reaching 1,000,000 articles, but you should create a commemorative logo for this like there have been in other Wikipedias:

—以上の署名の無いコメントは、85.49.45.242（会話/Whois）さんが[2016-01-19T12:31:58‎]に投稿したものです。

I don't think anybody is interested. I, for that matter, am personally against such practices. They violate our visual identity guidelines. 朝彦（会話） 2016年1月25日 (月) 12:59 (UTC)[返信]
I think altered logos generally violate the visual identity guidelines, but not commemoratve logos for cases like this. Anyway, contact other users to know if commemorative logos violate it. 85.49.45.242 2016年1月25日 (月) 15:44 (UTC)[返信]

Japanese going to Guam: Photo requests?

Are any JAWiki users planning to visit Guam anytime soon? If so there are some Wikipedia-related photo requests I like: namely the Japanese School of Guam

Thanks WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年2月8日 (月) 08:38 (UTC)[返信]

AFD on EN Wiki: Haruka Kohara

Does anyone know any Japanese sources about en:Haruka Kohara (小原春香)? They may be good to bring up in en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haruka Kohara. I would really like to have more sources about this figure.

Thank you WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年2月18日 (木) 05:41 (UTC)[返信]

Fuji Shibazakura Festival

Hello,

I'm seeking some information about the Fuji Shibazakura Festival, also known as the Fuji Moss Pink Festival. Could you please help me by telling me whether there is a article on this topic in the Japanese Wikipedia? Or whether an article about another topic mentions this festival?

Furthermore, could you please counsel me on the reliability of the following sources?

http://www.japantoday.com

http://www.mt-fuji.gr.jp

Namely, can an article found on one of these two websites be considered reliable? Could these sites serve as references in a Wikipedia article?

Thanks a lot, --LouCeriseV3（会話） 2016年3月11日 (金) 12:55 (UTC)[返信]

Hi, the article on the Fuji Shibazakura Festival (富士芝桜まつり) has not been made yet, but the articles that mention it exist like 富士河口湖町. I think that the two websites you show here are reliable enough to cite as sources for an article of Wikipedia. --QuirkyQuidnuncY（会話） 2016年3月11日 (金) 14:05 (UTC)[返信]
Hi, your answer helps me very mutch ! thanks a lot .^__^.--LouCeriseV3（会話） 2016年3月12日 (土) 07:10 (UTC)[返信]
Hi, LouCeriseV3. I will use below If I try to make that article.
Self-published sources
http://www.shibazakura.jp/ (official website)
http://www.shibazakura.jp/eng/ (official website)
http://www.sankei.com/economy/news/160222/prl1602220049-n1.html (press release)
https://www.yamanashi-kankou.jp/kankou/topics/fuji-shibazakura-fes.html (yamanashi tourism organization)
News sources
http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASFB1404Z_U1A410C1000000/
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/24/travel/gallery/most-beautiful-japan/ --StrangeMist (StrangeSnow / Talk) 2016年3月12日 (土) 08:02 (UTC)[返信]
Hi, Wow! that's great, all these links! Thank you very much for your help :) LouCeriseV3（会話） 2016年3月13日 (日) 18:19 (UTC)[返信]

Need to cite these links

Hello, I'm a new user, who previously created the ぼくらベアベアーズ article. I want to cite these links:

https://twitter.com/BokuraBareBears/status/709696215781277696

https://twitter.com/BokuraBareBears/status/709695986596118528

https://twitter.com/BokuraBareBears/status/709696450511286273

http://www.nhk.or.jp/anime-blog/0010/235489.html

https://www.nhk-ep.co.jp/topics/release-we-bare-bears-160127/

...in the article. I'm a little unclear on how to cite links here, especially Twitter posts. Could someone please give me a quick, thorough rundown? Thank you in advance.--事典戦隊ウィキペジャー（会話） 2016年3月19日 (土) 16:33 (UTC)[返信]

@事典戦隊ウィキペジャー: Make sure it's an official account. if it is, you can simply do <ref>(Insert content here)</ref> WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年7月1日 (金) 16:07 (UTC)[返信]

Merge request

Can someone merge カントリー・ガールズ and カントリー娘。? It's the same band, the first one is the new name. Mbch331（会話） 2016年3月20日 (日) 09:00 (UTC)[返信]

Hi. It seems that the discussion has already finished about it, in note. And these contents were splited. -113.148.245.202 2016年7月25日 (月) 21:56 (UTC)[返信]

Question about removing comments from one's own talk page

Hi. I have a quick question. I was under the impression that one user can remove talk page comments from their own talk page at their own discretion like the English Wikipedia (which I am a regular of), but removing these might lead to a block, so is this true? Also, I'm mostly familiar with how talk pages work and I do speak some Japanese, but is it necessary to keep messages and notices on your own talk page? Thanks, Sjones23（会話） 2016年4月9日 (土) 14:52 (UTC)[返信]

@Sjones23: You have to archive them. Apparently, some editors here can't figure out how to look at the history, so they require them to be archived. I was harassed by a nutter about it. He has since been blocked indefinitely, so take it how you will. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 2016年8月22日 (月) 18:55 (UTC)[返信]

Please help translate an important announcement for this wiki

Please see Wikipedia:ビジュアルエディター/フィードバック#The_visual_editor_will_be_enabled_on_this_wiki_in_early_May. Any help in spreading the word is appreciated. Thank you and happy editing, --Elitre (WMF)（会話） 2016年4月27日 (水) 18:44 (UTC)[返信]

Default Editor

Could someone please translate this for community discussion. (I think this goes somewhere at WP:井戸端?) Thanks.

The Wikimedia Foundation recently changed the editing links on English Wikipedia, Japanese Wikipedia, and they intend to change all Wikipedias. Due to a bug, they accidentally set Visual Editor as the default editor for all new users at English Wikipedia. The English community requested that that bug be fixed, and that the Wikitext editor be loaded first for new users. The Wikimedia Foundation is currently making that change, but only at English Wikipedia. Japanese Wikipedia currently gives all new users Visual Editor first by default. The Japanese community should determine consensus on whether you want to keep Visual Editor as the default for new users, or change to the Wikitext editor as default for new users.

Visual Editor was created with the goal of making editing faster and easier, helping more people edit, and helping to retain more editors. The Wikimedia Foundation preformed a study to determine VisualEditor's effect on newly registered editors[3]. The study found that Visual Editor did not achieve any of those goals.

  1. New users offered Visual Editor were significantly LESS likely to successfully complete edits (58% vs 64%).
  2. Making edits with Visual Editor took new users much longer (35 seconds for Wikitext vs 2 minutes for VisualEditor).
  3. No change in the number of new users who successfully make at least one edit.
  4. No change in the number of new users who stay to make more edits.

Alsee（会話） 2016年5月18日 (水) 17:37 (UTC)[返信]

This is not the only data we have about the visual editor (here is what the dashboards are currently telling us; more research is on its way). I have been working with the Japanese community for years, and there have never been concerns about the rollout, or the visual editor in general, here. No objection to the plans means consensus; the rollout here is complete and it went just smoothly thanks to community's efforts. If and when contributors here have a problem, they know how and who to communicate it to. --Elitre (WMF)（会話） 2016年5月18日 (水) 17:58 (UTC)[返信]
Are you opposed to a local discussion to determine consensus on the subject?
I've been closely following the plans for the Visual editor for anonymous users study and I am very interested in what the results will be. Regarding the dashboard data, the May 2015 study clearly outlined why that raw data is invalid/biased[4]. You've got a well controlled A/B study showing no benefit and several downsides when Visual Editor was offered to new users. Alsee（会話） 2016年5月18日 (水) 18:43 (UTC)[返信]
Hello, Alsee. Thank you for your concern. But don't worry. Jawiki community is BOLD enough to accept and try new drastic changes. First try, then discuss if necessary. If vandalism increase significantly after VE rollout, jawp community will surely begin to consider to swich the default editor back to wikitext editor. As to the benefit of VE as the default editor I'm looking forward to see the result of jawp case. Thanks.--miya（会話） 2016年5月19日 (木) 00:25 (UTC)[返信]
Hi miya. I have absolutely no idea where silly concerns about vandalism cames from, Visual Editor is irrelevant to whether the person behind the computer is a vandal. The issues are that we have hard data proving Visual Editor is worse for new editors, as well as all of the experience we've had with it being worse and causing problems. In any case, would you be willing to open the discussion to establish consensus on the subject, rather than merely stating a personal position? Alsee（会話） 2016年5月19日 (木) 01:32 (UTC)[返信]
The status of the visual editor at the English Wikipedia is in part due to adjustments made in 2013: that is an exception, not the rule. Discussions need to happen at communities, like the English Wikipedia one, with particular settings and specific concerns. For what is worth some of those discussions have already happened, and such communities have spontaneously asked recently that access to the visual editor is given precisely to the new editors (the Spanish and the German Wikipedia being the most recent examples; where even anonymous editors can now use the visual editor at the latter). --Elitre (WMF)（会話） 2016年5月19日 (木) 06:55 (UTC)[返信]
The discussions about "giving access" to Visual Editor are not relevant here.
This is about pushing Visual Editor as the default, doing it after JDForrester explicitly stated it would be made the default without discussing it with the wikis, sneaking it in as part of the single-edit-tab deployment, and doing it when you have hard data that Visual Editor should not be the default for new users. Alsee（会話） 2016年5月19日 (木) 20:38 (UTC)[返信]


Dnipropetrovsk → Dnipro

Hi. Please, rename ドニプロペトロウシク (Dnipropetrovsk) to ドニプロ (Dnipro). City was official renamed. — Green Zero обг 2016年6月14日 (火) 15:33 (UTC)[返信]

Reliable sources for the manga "Super Dog Rilienthal"

At en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Super Dog Rilienthal there is an AFD about 賢い犬リリエンタール.

Are there any reliable sources about this manga? Any manga magazines giving reviews?

WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年7月1日 (金) 09:16 (UTC)[返信]

Japanese murder victim in Bangladesh

Is there a JAwiki article about a Japanese man who was murdered in Bangladesh in 2015?

He has an article on ENwiki but I don't know if it's appropriate to link it here or if it would be against Japanese privacy laws? WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年7月2日 (土) 08:03 (UTC)[返信]

JAwiki has no article about a man nor murder. I watched article on ENwiki, and this man has no notability except a murder victim. So article about it wont be created forever. --Kkairri[話][歴] 2016年7月15日 (金) 11:48 (UTC)[返信]

Translation to Japanese

Hello. I would greatly appreciate if there is anyone that can help me in Japanese Wikipedia to translate this article into Japanese. I'm also a very big fan of Japanese culture and would be happy to do the same if there is a particular article that you wish to be translated into Persian language. --AlmaBeta（会話） 2016年8月22日 (月) 03:47 (UTC)[返信]

Photo requests in Kyoto

Is anyone in Kyoto interested in photographing the en:Lycée Français de Kyoto (リセ・フランセ・ド・京都)? It is at 536-1 Waraya-chô Marutamachi-dôri Kuromon Higashi-iru Kamigyô-ku Kyoto 602-8144 (〒602-8144京都府京都市上京区丸太町通黒門東入藁屋町536-1) - See map in Japanese

Thank you! WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年8月29日 (月) 18:27 (UTC)[返信]

If no one wants to take a picture, I can take one during my next trip to Japan (maybe next summer). Regards. --Thibaut120094（会話） 2016年9月8日 (木) 13:48 (UTC)[返信]

Author 提子墨「現在、削除の方針に従って、この項目の一部の版または全体を削除することが審議されています。 」??

Dear Butanekotomato and ja.wiki senior users: Regarding「現在、削除の方針に従って、この項目の一部の版または全体を削除することが審議されています。」message box on author 提子墨's Ja.Wiki page, the biography (来歴) was originally written by 提子墨 himself for the magazine interview in Chinese languag for 芸文風雑誌 (as the images shown below), and then translated into Japanese language for "TAIPEIMONOCHROME" to post (use).

The copyrights of 提子墨's biography (来歴) belongs to the author, I'm 提子墨's editor and just trying to add our award-winning authors' to Wikipedia(s). Could you please remove the warning messages? and kindly undo the page to the previous version? Thanks for your kind attention.

Original Wording in "藝文風" Magazine interview - by 提子墨 01 Original Wording in "藝文風" Magazine interview - by 提子墨 02

Jihchanglin（会話） 2016年8月30日 (火) 19:40 (UTC)[返信]

Now, article 提子墨 has a suspicion of copyright's violation from copying an article on "TAIPEIMONOCHROME" website. If you have a copyright of "TAIPEIMONOCHROME" or you are an administrator of that website, you have to run an article about "use permission under Wikipedia's license" on that website (not on wikipedia). See more en:Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. --Butanekotomato（会話） 2016年9月3日 (土) 00:53 (UTC)[返信]
Dear Butanekotomato: Thanks for the information about "Donating copyrighted materials", Mr. 提子墨 does own the copyrights of his original Chinese biography (来歴), but no, we are from his publishing company not the administrator of "TAIPEIMONOCHROME" who translated the article into Japanese and posted it on "TAIPEIMONOCHROME". Therefore, we couldn't donate the article as the administrator of that web site.
We asked the author提子墨 and discussed it with him, we decided to hire someone else to translate his biography into Japanese and will update and post the new version on his Ja.Wiki page later.
Yes, we're now agreed to remove "those paragraphs", could you please close this case and remove the warning boxes on 提子墨's page for us? Thanks for your kind attention. Jihchanglin（会話） 2016年9月3日 (土) 08:03 (UTC)[返信]

Question about a source which may talk about Toin Gakuen Schule Deutschland (ドイツ桐蔭学園)

I found this source on CiNii when I searched for "ドイツ桐蔭学園" (en:Toin Gakuen Schule Deutschland)

How much does the article mention Toin Gakuen Schule Deutschland and what does it say about it? WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年9月1日 (木) 15:32 (UTC)[返信]

This article is a study on the writing style of 山東京伝 (Santo Kyoden) in his novels published in the middle age in Japan, Edo-era. It has no word on "ドイツ桐蔭学園" at all. --Uiweo（会話） 2016年9月4日 (日) 05:06 (UTC)[返信]
Ok. Thank you for the feedback! I suppose the search engine misunderstood something. WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年9月4日 (日) 15:46 (UTC)[返信]

Photo request... anywhere in Japan

Hi,

I have been working on the 日本史学史 recently, and I'm looking for a photo showing books about the History of Japan (it could be in a library, a book shop...). Something like this photo for exemple. The work on the article is nearly over, so the article (and this photo) could be on the French Wikipedia frontpage as a featured article ;)

Thanks, --XIIIfromTOKYO（会話） 2016年9月8日 (木) 11:43 (UTC)[返信]

A friend managed to take a few pictures, so fell free to take more/better pictures if you can, but it's no longer a priority. Thanks, --XIIIfromTOKYO（会話） 2016年9月14日 (水) 13:30 (UTC)[返信]
I'm not sure if all those book covers [5][6] on your friend's photos is allowed on Commons. But anyway, I'll try to take pictures of books in Jimbocho or elsewhere during my next trip to Japan (hopefully next spring or summer). Cheers. --Thibaut120094（会話） 2016年9月16日 (金) 17:48 (UTC)[返信]

Japanese Wikivoyage

Hello, I have made a complete back up of Japanese Wikitravel's database (all articles), it could be used to start a Japanese Wikivoyage. Would there be interest in such a project from the editors here? If someone could ask this question in Japanese at the villagepump (general board?), that would be great. With maybe four or five people it should be enough to get the project started, thanks Acer（会話） 2016年9月9日 (金) 10:22 (UTC)[返信]

I don't remember where I read it, but I guess Japanese Wikivoyage edition in incubator was started from scratch and I don't know if there is a wish for import content of Wikitravel. This was the case of Chinese Wikivoyage community who wanted to do a fresh start without WT content, but in Japanese case I am not sure. I also support to ask community if there are people interested in importing WT content to ウィキボヤージュ日本語版 incubator. --Zerabat（会話） 2016年9月10日 (土) 12:07 (UTC)[返信]
It wasn't a really a choice, the XML dumps were lost and they could not make another one since WT disabled the API. I think it's only working now because they upgraded their MediaWiki infrastructure and forgot to turn it off again. While they were still trying to find the lost database dumps the Chinese decided not to wait and do a fresh start. Chinese WT is very small, only a 1000 articles now. It was even smaller back then and is full of spam so it didn't make much difference. Japanese is much larger (9500 articles) and well maintained. It's the only edition besides English that is still reasonably active. Acer（会話） 2016年9月10日 (土) 15:45 (UTC)[返信]
Is this?
日本語版には分岐に同調したユーザーが居らず、ウィキボヤージュ日本語版は作られなかった。Japanese Wikivoyage was not made because no one came around to fork.
世界最狂の魔法使いＣray-Ｇ（会話） 2016年9月10日 (土) 12:58 (UTC)[返信]
Wikitravelの今後 and Migration to WV. I don't know if other administrators were contacted. But I think Zerabat was talking about the community at the Incubator, not from Wikitravel Acer（会話） 2016年9月10日 (土) 15:45 (UTC)[返信]
I think it would be great to get a Japanese Wikivoyage going. I tried back in the WikiTravel days, but no one seemed to care about it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 2016年9月10日 (土) 17:28 (UTC)[返信]
@Nihonjoe: There's some activity there now, not much but maybe it'll be enough. I'm quite confident that if it formally launches it'll attract contributors quickly. I think the Incubator is being somewhat counterproductive in this instance. Acer（会話） 2016年9月11日 (日) 13:19 (UTC)[返信]
@Acer: I agree. I found the whole interface for the incubator to be off-putting and extremely difficult to use. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 2016年9月11日 (日) 22:53 (UTC)[返信]

Wikitravel database / XML dumps

This is the complete database dump / back up of Wikitravel in all languages, including Japanese. Download here. The file is compressed using 7zip Acer（会話） 2016年9月11日 (日) 15:30 (UTC)[返信]

あの、すみません。

Korean
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Japanese
I use NAVER Translator.
あの・・・大使館にあるHyolee2さんは使用者討論文書に書き込みを残しても絶対返事をしないんですね。 一種の討論回避ですか? この方が韓國語版ウィキペディアで討論回避のために無期限ブロックされたケースもあるし。。。 Hyolee2さんが持続的に討論を回避したら誰かに助けを要請するというのでしょうか。 韓國語のサポーターはHyolee2さんが唯一しましたか。
and use Google Translator.
その;;;大使館のHyolee2様はユーザーの会話ページに文を残しても、絶対に答えをしていないんですね。一種の議論回避ですか？この方が韓国語ウィキペディアで議論回避のために無期限にブロックされた事例もあり、... Hyolee2さんが継続的に議論回避をすると、誰に助けを求めるように求めるのでしょうか？韓国語ヘルパーはHyolee2さんが独特でたんですよ？

이상입니다. --Jason6494（会話） 2016年9月11日 (日) 06:51 (UTC)[返信]

Hey? --Jason6494（会話） 2016年9月30日 (金) 06:23 (UTC)[返信]
Are you looking for Wikipedians who can discuss in Korean language?
あなたは韓国語で議論できるウィキペディアンを探しているのですか？
Or are you demanding other one of the ambassador?
それとも、大使館に新しい大使を要求しているのですか？
Anyway, I can NOT help you.
どちらにせよ、私には何も出来ません。
世界最狂の魔法使いＣray-Ｇ（会話） 2016年9月30日 (金) 09:35 (UTC)[返信]
I'm looking for Wikipedians who can discuss in Korean language? 한편으로는 현재 유일한 한국어 대사인 Hyolee2님의 토론 회피로 이 곳에 글을 남기는 것이기도 합니다. @Hyolee2:さん？ --Jason6494（会話） 2016年10月14日 (金) 06:47 (UTC)[返信]

My photograph requests and their rationales

Attn: @Yqm:

I was informed by user:Yqm that various photo requests of mine had been removed. He argued that the photo requests "are so irrational" and that I should "please refrain from disputable requests". I was not previously told by any other user that they had a problem with my photo requests. I strongly disagree with Yqm's characterization of my photo requests and will provide rationales and explanations.

To ensure that no misunderstandings have happened, I went through Yqm's list of removals of my requests to determine if they were fulfilled (meaning someone took the picture) or not.

These photo requests were removed after the request was fulfilled (therefore these removals are OK even if I disagree with the reason - they should have been removed anyway as the photos were taken)
I disagree that this kind of request is inappropriate. Here are reasons why:
  • People living in/visiting these municipalities are those who can take the pictures. They need to know the requests exist.
  • Major companies are important in the economies of smaller municipalities such as Tajiri because they contribute tax money to those municipalities. For example en:Highland Park, Michigan was devastated when Chrysler moved their headquarters out of that city.
These photo requests were removed from municipality/ward articles before a picture was uploaded, but the pictures were later taken anyway (therefore these are settled - they do not have to actually be in the municipality articles)
  • 小倉北区: Starflyer old head office (removed by @Wiki591801: February 14, 2010 with no reason stated) later posted again (removed by Wiki591801 with the reason "依頼場所違い。スターフライヤーに画像提供済。" Google translate: "Request misplaced. Image provided already to the Star Flyer.") - Fulfilled: File:Shin_Kokura_Building.JPG uploaded 17 March 2010)
    • My rationale: The articles on wards of larger Japanese cities should discuss major corporations headquartered in those wards, and photographs of corporate headquarters would be reasonable for these articles. Also requests should be placed both in the ward/municipality article and in the company/airline article.
  • 小倉北区: https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=35511947&oldid=35499411 Starflyer current head office at Kitakyushu Airport] (removed by @Wiki591801: December 21, 2010) - Reason stated was "(依頼場所違い。スターフライヤー記事への画像提供依頼で十分。)" (Google translate: "Request misplaced. Sufficient image provision request to the Star Flyer article.") - Photograph File:STAR_FLYER_Honsya.JPG uploaded on 30 April 2011
    • My rationale: the photo requests like that ought be in both places, both in the airline article and in the ward/municipality article
  • 大田区: Air Japan head office (removed by User:Aimaimyi on February 28, 2010 with the rationale "このページに貼るものではない" (Google translate: does not stick to this page)) - File:ANA_Training_Center_01.jpg Photo taken by Aimaimyi on 7 March 2010
    • I understood that not every company head office photo should be on this page, as there are many companies based in Ota, but the idea is that the best pictures could be chosen for the Ota page, so the requested photos should be taken, with the best one selected.
  • 門真市: Kaiyodo head office: removed by 114.146.61.125 on February 17, 2011, no reason given - File:P1000220aaa.JPG uploaded April 10, 2011
  • 大田区: Toyoko Inn head office: removed by User:GDSTCB on December 28, 2011, reason: "必要性不詳につき除去" (Google translate: "Removal per need unknown") - Photo File:Toyoko inn.jpg uploaded 11 September 2012
    • It is understandable if the photo is not needed on the actual page Ota, Tokyo but people who visit/live in Ota should be aware that such photo requests exist.
These photo requests were removed from municipality/ward articles and the photos have not been taken
  • This is not the correct revision - 江西区 (ソウル特別市): Korean Air and Asiana Airlines head offices - Removed by Hyolee2 with the reason "当該航空会社に貼付済み" which Google translate says "Already affixed to the airlines"
    • Of course the photo requests should be attached to the airline pages but I think they should also be attached to the Korean ward articles since they are physically located in those wards, and so editors who don't read the airline articles but who do read the ward articles (Japanese people living in Seoul, South Korea who don't normally read airline articles) will know that these photos are being requested.
  • タムニン: John F. Kennedy High School, Guam Power Authority] headquarters], removed by User:朝彦
    • The reason given is "(記事の規模に比して画像過剰となりうるため画像提供依頼を除去します。see also Wikipedia:画像利用の方針)" - which Google translates to "(To remove the image provision request for that can be the image excessive in comparison with the scale of the article .see also Wikipedia: Image use policy)"
    • While something may be lost in translation, here is my response: the problem is that these articles do not exist yet in Japanese, and Japanese people vacationing in Guam need to know that these pictures are being requested. This is true even if the pictures should not be placed on the page itself. The requests ought to be listed on the Wikipedia page until they are fulfilled, even if these pictures should not be actually placed on the page.
    • Removing these kinds of requests prevents people from knowing about them. My experience as a Wikipedia editor and Commons editor is that not enough people go to the talk pages or the Commons image request pages. In order to let the public know that a photo request is there, it needs to be on the article page.
  • 宮崎市: Solaseed Air old head office in the SNA Building: removed by 114.146.61.125, no reason given
  • 函館市: Air Hokkaido head office: removed by 114.146.61.125, no reason given
  • 西区 (大阪市): China Eastern Airlines and China Southern Airlines offices: "不適切な画像依頼除去。一企業の画像提供依頼を自治体記事冒頭に告知するのは不適切。各企業記事に同一依頼文あり。" - "Inappropriate image request removal. It is inappropriate to notice the image provision request of a company at the beginning municipality article. There is the same request sentence to each company article."
    • If the requests are only limited to the company article, people who live around Nishi-ku, Osaka who do not read the airline articles may not know the requests exists. The reason why I posted the request is so people in/around Nishi-ku are aware of it.
  • 博多区: Link Inc. headquarters - Removed by User:わたらせみずほ - Reason: "画像依頼テンプレの除去、ここは自治体の記事であり、一民間企業の画像依頼・募集をする場ではありません。" / "Removal of the image request template, here is the article of the municipality, not the place to the image request, offering a single private company."
    • I argue for its placement in the ward article for the same reasons as above.
School-related requests
  • 渋谷区: en:British School of Tokyo - Removed by User:Banku here with no explanation, also 世田谷区 here removed with no explanation
    • If content is removed with no explanation I have no idea why the person removed it. I think the photo requests should be restored: Japanese people in those wards should know that these pictures are wanted, and in these cases they are not even companies, but schools
In summary

One good reason to attach photo requests to articles about wards of larger Japanese cities and articles about smaller Japanese cities is to notify users interested in those location articles that the request exists. Another is because images of headquarters of major companies should be added to those ward and municipality pages. In other cases, the location/city/ward/etc articles ought to host photo requests even if these photos are not actually appropriate for the article because people living in/vacationing in/visiting those cities/wards/places need to be notified that these photos are wanted. Remember the purpose of a photo request is to tell the public these photos are wanted. These photo request notices should be widely distributed to accomplish this goal.

I believe that any editor who believes that any request is "so irrational" should either communicate with me directly (so I can say why I gave the request) or find an editor who knows English who can be a go-between, or start a Chatsubo post on why they disagree with the request and ping me. WhisperToMe（会話） 2016年9月30日 (金) 16:08 (UTC)[返信]

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