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ビジュアルエディター についての相談と報告

このページは、あなたがウィキペディアでビジュアルエディターを使っているときに出会った問題について、日本語で報告あるいは相談する場です。ウィキペディアのビジュアルエディターはまだテスト段階で、よく知られた問題や未知の問題があります。


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改行の仕方について。[編集]

Wikipediaで新しく実装された、VisualEditorですが改行の仕方がいまいちわかりません。プルダウンメニューを「段落」に合わせてエンターキーで開業すると"<p>"が挿入され、"<br>"にはならないのではないでしょうか。Shift+Enterな気もしますが、"<br>"で改行するにはどうしたらよいのでしょうか。ご教示ください。--Closed会話) 2013年7月22日 (月) 14:27 (UTC)

コメント 今のところ、<br> だけでなく、タグ自体を選んで挿入する機能は無い様です。なお、「ソースを編集」を選ぶことで、今までと同じように編集できます。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2013年7月24日 (水) 05:58 (UTC)
それでは、VisualEditorを利用する際にはEnterキーを押して改行すればそれでかまわないのでしょうか。 ソースを編集については、理解しました。ありがとうございます。 --Closed会話) 2013年8月12日 (月) 09:10 (UTC)

テンプレートパラメータの自動挿入[編集]

テンプレートのパラメータには、「必須」とされているものがいくつかあります。テンプレートを挿入する場合、それらのパラメータは自動的に追加されるようにすると利便性が高まると思います。

また、特に「date」パラメータなど、自動挿入が可能なものについては内容まで自動的に追加されるとよりよいのではないでしょうか。 Make More Reliable会話) 2013年7月24日 (水) 00:08 (UTC)

「date」パラメータの自動挿入は、VisualEditorに限ったことではないと思いますので、そのテンプレートのノートでご提案なさってはいかがでしょうか。◆なお自動挿入そのものではないですが、各テンプレートのdocページにTemplateDataを書いておくことで、パラメータを簡単に追加できます(サンプル:Template:図書館を利用者sandboxでお試しください)。--miya会話) 2013年7月25日 (木) 05:58 (UTC)
コメント パラメータが「必須」というのは、TemplateData における "required": true のことだと思います。先ほど試した所、「テンプレートを新規作成する際、必須パラメータが自動的に追加される機能」が追加されていました(「Template:仮リンク」でも確認)。「内容の自動挿入」に関しては不明です。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2013年7月25日 (木) 06:33 (UTC)

複数行テンプレートの編集について[編集]

基礎情報テンプレートなどの大きなテンプレートでは、複数行にわたることがあります。この複数行テンプレートですが、今のところ上手く編集することが出来ていないようです。以前のように改行文字を全て除去してしまう事は無くなりましたが、改行の後ろに新しい値を挿入する挙動でした。また、我々が複数行テンプレートと認識していても、新規に追加する際には、1行にまとめられてしまいます。バグとして報告があれば、今後も改善されていくとは思いますが。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2013年7月25日 (木) 06:59 (UTC)

This will hopefully be fixed soon; I agree that it is a serious issue. The developers have all been at Wikimania, and hopefully they'll be able to fix it now that they are on their way back. Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年8月12日 (月) 12:27 (UTC)

TemplateData: 無名引数について[編集]

TemplateData では無名引数(ソースでは = の左側が空の文字列)を扱うことが出来ないようです。エディター上では、無名引数は _empty_ という名前に変換され、ソースでは _empty_ = として入力されることになります。なお、無名引数を含んだ TemplateData を作成した際、引数名と aliases との交換や aliases の一部除去など、細かい編集がエディターに反映されない事が有りました。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2013年8月11日 (日) 09:25 (UTC)

(Sorry for having to write in English!) - if you have unnamed parameters, simply name them 1,2,3, and so on, in the order that they appear in the template, and give them an appropriate alias. Hopefully that will work - let me know if it doesn't. Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年8月12日 (月) 12:16 (UTC)
私が言及したかったのは 1, 2, 3, ... などの引数名を省略可能な引数のことではありません。等号記号 (=) の前に空文字列をとる引数のことです。先ほど空文字列の引数を持つテンプレートを編集した所、エディタでは引数 1 として認識され、別の引数を加えて保存すると、等号が除去されました[1]。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2013年8月12日 (月) 14:47 (UTC)
Strange; reported at bugzilla:52752. Thank you :). Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年8月12日 (月) 15:09 (UTC)


♙(チェスの駒)バグ[編集]

時々、♙というアイコンが出現して、直前に入力した文字列を際限なく繰り返してしまうことがあります。いろいろな場面で急に出るので、出現条件はよくわからないのですが、画像キャプションを追加しようとする際にはほとんど毎回出ます。バグジラにも上がっているようですが[2]、こちらにもご報告いたします。--miya会話) 2013年8月14日 (水) 16:32 (UTC)

I will add it to Bugzilla; can you give me an example to show to the developers? Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年8月14日 (水) 16:39 (UTC)
I'll try to illustrate them in my user-subpages:
--miya会話) 2013年8月15日 (木) 01:59 (UTC) add a little explanation.--miya会話) 2013年8月15日 (木) 12:05 (UTC)
Aha; thank you. Is this the bug noted in the section below this? Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年8月18日 (日) 21:26 (UTC)
Perhaps. I made some tests again; Cursor also drove me mad both on User:Miya/Firefox and User:Miya/Chrome.--miya会話) 2013年8月19日 (月) 09:15 (UTC)
From David's comments on bugzilla I think they are fixing the cursor issue - as to the loops (and the pawns) I have reported that seperately :). Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年8月19日 (月) 17:46 (UTC)

Cursor places itself after the first character when inserting a group of Japanese characters[編集]

Hello,

Please excuse me for writing in English.

At Wikimania I found, with the help of Takashi Ota, that the cursor places itself incorrectly when typing in Japanese. I reported it as bug 52716. I could see this bug on Firefox in Mac OSX and Linux, but I couldn't test on Windows. Can anybody please test it in other operating systems and browsers and write any useful comments that you have at the bug report?

Thank you! --アミル・エ。・アハロニ会話) 2013年8月18日 (日) 12:50 (UTC)

editintro及びコメントアウト[編集]

ちょっと考えると仕様上当たり前すぎる話なのしょうが、ビジュアルエディターを用いて編集した場合、<!--ここに公開されていない本名を記述しないでください。-->であるといったような編集者向けにコメントアウトされているような情報が表示されません。
さらに同様に編集者向けに設定されているeditintroを用いた編集者向けの注意書きが表示されません。ウィキペディア日本語版では存命の人物の項目にはCategory:存命人物を付けて{{BLP editintro}}を表示するようになっています。このあたりを改善できませんでしょうか?--Vigorous actionTalk/History) 2013年8月22日 (木) 12:22 (UTC)

(追記)どうも、存命人物と学校記事はjawpのMediaWiki:Common.jsによる影響のようですので、jawp独自で対応が必要なのかもしれません。--Vigorous actionTalk/History) 2013年8月22日 (木) 12:50 (UTC)
Yes; the lack of HTML comments being visible is a problem, and has been known for a while - see bugzilla:49603. Hopefully it will be fixed soon :). Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年8月22日 (木) 13:55 (UTC)

ページ名の横の編集リンクをクリックすると[編集]

ページ名の横にある編集リンクは、クリックすると本来は section=0 の編集ができるはずなのに、section=1 に飛んでしまいます。--What here area team会話) 2013年9月8日 (日) 13:14 (UTC)

報告 ガジェット(Help:ページ先頭のセクションに編集リンクを追加する)が単一リンクの場合のみを想定していたことが原因でした。よって複数の編集リンクに対応するよう書き換えました[3]。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2013年9月8日 (日) 16:01 (UTC)
正しくリンクされていることを確認しました。ありがとうございます。--What here area team会話) 2013年9月8日 (日) 18:42 (UTC)
Glad this got resolved :). Yeah, we can't provide support for user-written gadgets, I'm afraid. Okeyes (WMF)会話) 2013年9月9日 (月) 05:02 (UTC)

Greetings from your Community Advocate[編集]

Hello! Kon'nichiwa! Apologies for writing in English. I work with WhatamIdoing and Oliver at the WMF and am helping out at the Japanese Wikipedia now. Just wanted to introduce myself and offer to help if needed. AKoval (WMF)会話) 2013年10月8日 (火) 16:30 (UTC)

Hi, AKoval. Welcome to the Japanese Wikipedia!--miya会話) 2013年10月10日 (木) 07:00 (UTC)
Arigato, miya. :) It's nice to be here. If I can help, please let me know. AKoval (WMF)会話) 2013年10月14日 (月) 20:34 (UTC)

ファイル行頭のスペース a space at the line head of a media file[編集]

Monument of Tachiarai airport 02.JPG

それほど深刻ではないけれど、遭遇した利用者を当惑させる現象として報告します。

大刀洗陸軍飛行場#沿革の下の版にある画像(2枚のうちで下の方にある画像)をビジュアルエディターで編集してみてください。

行頭に全角スペースがあるせいか、VEでは画像編集できず、画像をクリックしても画像の説明ページに飛んでしまいます。その次の版(2013-10-22T12:22:40)でSourceEditorで行頭の全角スペースを消すと、VEで画像編集可能になりました。

これを個人のSandboxサブページで再現実験してみたのが以下のページです。

この版をVEで開いて編集してみてください。行頭にスペースが(全角でも半角でも)あると、その行はpre状態になってしまい、文字列なら編集可能なものの、画像編集はVEではできない状態になっていると思います(もし私の勘違いならご指摘ください)。

Please open 大刀洗陸軍飛行場 (as of 2013-10-22T11:21:19) and try to edit the second photo with VisualEditor. I couldn't edit it with VisualEditor until I removed a two-byte space from its line head with SourceEditor. This may be not a serious but annoying bug for a beginner.

If there is a space at the line head of a media file, you cannot edit or delete a media file on VisualEditor. Feel free to edit my sandbox (利用者:Miya/sandbox/ビジュアルエディター 2013-10-23T06:39:27) to test editing a media file with a space on its line head. At the same time I assume that current VisualEditor is unable to distinguish an one-byte space from a double-byte space, either.--miya会話) 2013年10月23日 (水) 07:14 (UTC)

Hi miya.
Really sorry about that bug.
The developers have been able to reproduce it, thanks to your thoughtful documentation. :)
I’ve reported it here: bugzilla:56195]
We can both keep our eyes on it. :)
--Anna (WMF) 2013年10月25日 (金) 22:20 (UTC)
Thank you for reporting it!--miya会話) 2013年10月26日 (土) 00:45 (UTC)
You're welcome, miya. According to bugzilla, status is resolved and resolution is fixed. Hopefully it is! Please let me know if the problem persists. --Anna (WMF) 2013年10月28日 (月) 21:52 (UTC)

Please translate[編集]

Hi :)

Is there anyone with time to translate this message here:

https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-visualeditor&language=ja&filter=%21translated&action=translate

It is the message in the popup that appears when you first open VisualEditor.

ありがとう!

--AKoval (WMF)会話) 2013年10月25日 (金) 23:43 (UTC)

I tried to translate MediaWiki:Visualeditor-dialog-beta-welcome-content/ja] - this message is just what I've wished to have! Thank you!--miya会話) 2013年10月26日 (土) 00:45 (UTC)
Thank you, miya! Your translation now needs to get put into the translation system, ideally by you yourself. You would go here to sign up, and then go here to set your translating preferences. Finally, once you are approved as a translator, you would go here to review existing translations, correct them, and add new ones as needed. It's kind of a drag to have to be approved as a translator, but it will be good, in general, if you are an approved translator on translatewiki. All the best, AKoval (WMF) 2013年10月28日 (月) 22:14 (UTC)

VE Office Hours[編集]

Hello and apologies for the English. :) Please help translate my message so others in your community can read it.

I wanted to let you know that this weekend, the engineering department is hosting office hours to discuss VisualEditor.

The first of these will be held on Saturday, November 2, at 1700 UTC.

The second will be held on Sunday, November 3, at 0000 UTC.

You can check local time and connect here.

Please join as Product Manager James Forrester discusses VisualEditor and upcoming plans.

Logs will be posted on meta after each office hour completes.

The engineering team would like to know about issues specific to ja.wikipedia.

So if you can’t attend, or don’t use Internet Relay Chat, but would like me to ask a question on your behalf, please post it below.

Thank you for your continued testing of VisualEditor.

AKoval (WMF)会話) 2013年10月30日 (水) 22:27 (UTC)

Please excuse me; the original links I posted were incorrect, but they're accurate now. :)
AKoval (WMF)会話) 2013年10月31日 (木) 01:06 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hours[編集]

Konnichiwa. :) Apologies for writing in English. Translation assistance is appreciated. :)

The WMF engineering department has planned office hours to discuss VisualEditor. The first is on January 15th, at 2300 UTC; the second is a week later, on January 22nd, at 2300 UTC. Product Manager James Forrester will discuss VisualEditor and upcoming plans. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes. If you want to ask a question or provide feedback but can't attend, don't use Internet Relay Chat, or don't speak English, please post your question or comment here or on my talk page or email me, and I or a community liaison will present it among possible discussion topics. I’ll post a reminder closer to the office hours.

Arigato, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 2013年12月30日 (月) 18:23 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hours[編集]

Konnichiwa. :) Apologies for my English. I'd be grateful for translation.

The engineering department has scheduled office hours to discuss VisualEditor. These discussions will be on IRC (Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. The first one will be held on Saturday 2014-02-15 at 17:00 UTC; the second will be held a week later, on Sunday 2014-02-16, at 00:00 UTC. Product Manager James Forrester will discuss VisualEditor and upcoming plans. (For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see meta:IRC office hours). Logs will be posted and categorized at meta:Category:VisualEditor office hours logs after each office hour completes. (If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, please post your question or on my talk page or email it to me, and I or another community liaison will present it for you).

Kashiko. かしこ. Kind regards, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 2014年2月14日 (金) 22:48 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hour in March[編集]

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Sorry, this message is in English. Any help in translating it would be appreciated!

Hi all, the office hour for this month is scheduled for Monday, March 17th, at 15:00 UTC. Please join as Product Manager James Forrester discusses VisualEditor, new features and upcoming plans. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, you can see meta:IRC office hours. If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, please let us know your question here or via email by the day before, and I or another community liaison will add it to possible discussion topics, as usual. (Complete logs are always posted and categorized at meta:Category:VisualEditor office hours logs after each office hour completes anyway, for your convenience).

Regards, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月6日 (木) 18:22 (UTC)

サンドボックスのビジュアルエディタへの対応について[編集]

ビジュアルエディタは不完全で、発展途上なので、意図したとおりに編集されるか確認する手段が必要と思うのですが、

現状で、サンドボックスでビジュアルエディタは利用できません。

個人設定でビジュアルエディタを有効にしているユーザはサンドボックスでもビジュアルエディタを有効にしたらよいのではないでしょうか?--Mytrajectory22会話) 2014年3月14日 (金) 03:24 (UTC)

コメント 登録利用者の場合、各自の利用者ページでビジュアルエディターを利用することが可能です。「利用者のサブページ」を作るか「Help:利用者サンドボックス」のガジェットを利用するのはいかがでしょうか。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2014年3月14日 (金) 05:15 (UTC)
Sorry for the comment in English, I can't speak any Japanese. I'd be extremely grateful if someone could help Japanese Wikipedians if Google Translate is not enough :) What other Wikipedias did in this case was creating a special sandbox in a namespace that could support it. For example, at the Italian Wikipedia (my home site) I created a personal sandbox and then linked to it so that everybody can use it to test VE, IPs included. If you created Help:VisualEditor sandbox, for example, that would work as well. Hope this helps! --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月14日 (金) 10:15 (UTC)
なるほど、現状ではそのような方法があるんですね。ひとまずは利用者サンドボックス(下書き)を利用することにします。--Mytrajectory22会話) 2014年3月14日 (金) 20:12 (UTC)
So , Do other wikipedia have 2 sandboxs that for source editor and for VisualEditor?  Was Help:VisualEditor sandbox created after VisualEditor enable for all user?--Mytrajectory22会話) 2014年3月14日 (金) 20:12 (UTC)
Yes. For example, the English Wikipedia uses the page en:User:Sandbox, while the Italian Wikipedia uses it:Utente:Elitre_(WMF)/Pagina_delle_prove_VE. Help:VisualEditor sandbox is an example I provided as a suggestion for you. It is important that the sandbox has a good visibility so that many people can test VisualEditor. After you create the page, if you link back to it in this way, even anonymous users will be able to try VisualEditor. It's because of the &veaction=edit string. Have a nice weekend! --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月15日 (土) 12:53 (UTC)
Mytrajectory22: I can create that page for you, if you want. Just let me know. Thanks, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月18日 (火) 13:45 (UTC)
Elitre (WMF):Very thanks about your answer and Sorry for slow reply due to unsure English and me with laziness. So, what you mean is that. 1st, create my sandbox. 2nd, create Help:VisualEditor sandbox. 3rd, Link from Help:VisualEditor sandbox to my sandbox. Can't or Unsuitable nomal Sandbox available to VisualEditor. --Mytrajectory22会話) 2014年3月19日 (水) 14:56 (UTC)
Mytrajectory22, hi again, and thanks for your Thanks! To be clear: we just need to create Help:VisualEditor sandbox, that's it. VisualEditor will be available on that page, for everybody (even users who do not have an account or are logged out will be able to use it there if they follow the link as it is formatted here). VisualEditor is available also on personal sandboxes if users want to create them, of course. Regards, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月19日 (水) 15:16 (UTC)
Someone tested the sandbox at the English Wikipedia :) My point is: registered users can have personal sandboxes and test VE whenever they want. For unregistered ones instead, that's difficult, so creating the page I suggested will help them. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月20日 (木) 10:04 (UTC)
Say about my edit !? :) I am not knowledgeable about Sandbox and VE, and increase page is a little confusing. So maybe I'll add a few explanation and LINK to English sandbox(maybe no account required) from there and there(Header template of nomal sandbox). --Mytrajectory22会話) 2014年3月21日 (金) 22:45 (UTC)
Mytrajectory22, I hope this is not a problem for you: I have created that sandbox. Can you please 1) translate the English text I put there 2) add its link to the pages you mentioned? Thank you! --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月24日 (月) 20:11 (UTC)

仮名漢字変換で文字入力がまともに出来ない[編集]

WindowsXP SP3(32bit)+Chrome環境にて、編集するために日本語入力を試みるも、 入力や変換途中に勝手に確定されたり無変換にされたり入力を受け付けなかったりと非常に 動作が不安定です。 事実上記事の編集には使用できません。 Nonkihiguma会話) 2014年3月24日 (月) 02:41 (UTC)

Hi Nonkihiguma, I am using Google Translate, so I might not understand very well - sorry about that, hope someone can help us if we don't understand each other. If you are trying to use the universal language selector in VisualEditor, we know this doesn't work, there are some bugs about this already. Thanks, and sorry about that. I see that you have added an external link with VE, so I am not sure if this actually didn't work for you. Thanks again, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年3月24日 (月) 20:19 (UTC)
Hi, Elitre. I can understand what Nonkihiguma wrote. I, too, tried to edit via VisualEditor in Japanese and the kana-kanji conversion system of VE was reallly unstable during inputting and converting. I'm very sorry to say VE as of now is not good to edit in Japanese. For example I wrote "ビジュアルエディターのテスト" in my Sandbox but the text I wrote and converted to kanji was disappeared when I tried to fix it with pushing the enter key; if I undid then, a pawn would show up: have a look at my sandbox.--miya会話) 2014年4月3日 (木) 14:42 (UTC)
I tried one more test: at first I wrote "VisualEditor test 2" in English (which caused no trouble); when I began to input "ビジュアルエディター...", some bug occurred (I saved it) - I couldn't understand what and how happened.--miya会話) 2014年4月3日 (木) 15:07 (UTC)
Hi miya! Sad to hear VE doesn't seem ready for prime time here. I noticed that there were hidden comments in your sandbox while you were testing with VE some days ago. This is known to be problematic in itself, so I'm making sure you know it now, and that you use a really blank page in the future :) I am not sure I understand what "the kana-kanji conversion system of VE" is :/ Can you please explain it to me? If we manage to get a step-by-step description of how the problem can be reproduced, I'll be happy to file a bug for you. I see that you have already provided such an explanation. So, did you copy/paste anything there? How do you switch between languages? Thanks, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年4月3日 (木) 15:22 (UTC)
コメント Chromeを使っているということで、グーグル入力ツール [4] をご紹介します。使えるはずのものが使えない状況は全く解決しませんが、入力が全く出来ない状態よりは良いかと思います。例えばこの文章のほとんどはChromeの拡張を入れて入力しています。少々難があるとは思いますが、いかがでしょうか。(開発者用の話?)Google CGI API for Japanese Input からリンクされてる事もあり、同じような仕組みだとは思うのですが、「入力」ではなく「変換」を組み込むのは難しいかな。正直このツールのことはさっぱり忘れており、数年ぶりにたまたま見つけた感じです。--Frozen-mikan会話) 2014年4月14日 (月) 03:53 (UTC)
As I said, I believe that when Universal Language Selector will work inside VisualEditor, you will be able to use a good Japanese input method and your VisualEditor experience will improve. Thanks. --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年4月16日 (水) 14:06 (UTC)

VisualEditor updates[編集]

Please help translate this message.

We recommend that community champions translate the newsletter and post it to local Village Pumps or relevant noticeboards.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in April.
Saturday 2014-04-19, at 20:00 UTC.
The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.
If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, then please let us know your question on mediawiki.org by the day before, and someone will add it to possible discussion topics.
  • VisualEditor has changed a lot recently, and you didn't notice it? You can be alerted to major updates on your own talk page, thanks to the newsletter! Less "technical" than the regular status updates delivered at mediawiki.org, it's a good way to keep up to date with changes. Sign up now to make sure you get the next issue.
  • Did you know? There are just 2 URLs to check if you want to learn how your language is doing with regards to translations for VisualEditor's interface or help pages. Is it in the green (good!) area, or in the red (baaad!) one? Find out now, then click on your language code to update the translations!
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Help pages
--Elitre (WMF) (talk) 2014年4月7日 (月) 16:41 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hour in May[編集]

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  • The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in May.
Monday 2014-05-19, at 18:00 UTC.
The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.
If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, then please let us know your question on mediawiki.org by the day before, and someone will add it to possible discussion topics.
Thanks! --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年5月9日 (金) 15:42 (UTC)

Japanese input with IME, cursor moves to wrong position.[編集]

When inputting Japanese text: 1. Turn on IME and type something like "漢字", do not press <enter> , cursor is at the end of "漢字", looks like "漢字|", contents is not added now. 2. Press <enter>, "漢字" is inserted into wiki, however cursor is located before them, looks like "|漢字". Expected result is "漢字|".

This is very annoying behavior, may happen to every CJK users. Regards,

Kayo Kayo Katsuragi会話) 2014年5月21日 (水) 04:05 (UTC)

Hi Kayo Katsuragi, my apologies for not catching this before. Please feel free to email me if I seem to have missed something! Can you please let me know which browser, operating system and Wikipedia skin you are using, if this problem still occurs? Thanks a lot, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年6月19日 (木) 11:33 (UTC)
Dear Elitre,I checked Visual Editor again and now it seems working good. My environment is: Win 8.1(x64), Firefox 30.0, and ATOK 2014(IME). Thanks.:)--Kayo Katsuragi会話) 2014年6月20日 (金) 05:59 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—May 2014[編集]

This is a one-time mailing to projects that may need this information. Future newsletters will be available as opt-in only. To receive future newsletters (about one per month), please add your page to the subscribers' list at m:VisualEditor/Newsletter. You're welcome to translate to your language.


Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

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Did you know?

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The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "参照" menu, press "参照" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "参照" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "基本" item in the "挿入" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "参照". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "基本" item in the "挿入" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "言語" tool in the "挿入" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "数式" item in the "挿入" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "<visualeditor-toolbar-cancel>" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "メディア" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "文字の修飾" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "ページを保存" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "キーボード ショートカット" link will be moved out of the "ページ設定" menu, into the "ヘルプ" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 2014年5月22日 (木) 17:39 (UTC)

VisualEditor office hours in June and July[編集]

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Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that community liaisons invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well.

Thanks for your attention! --Elitre (WMF) 2014年6月9日 (月) 21:24 (UTC)

Updates related to VisualEditor[編集]

Please help translate this message in your language. Thanks :)

Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that we invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well (please subscribe your talk page there to get the latest news about the software).

Most of the VisualEditor team will be at Wikimania in London in August! You'll be able to meet the developers during the Hackaton or at the following sessions:

WMF community liaisons will share a booth with community advocates at the Community Village and look forward to talking to you there. Thanks for your attention! --User:Elitre (WMF) 2014年7月31日 (木) 16:02 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—July and August 2014[編集]

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The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

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Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

  • Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
  • You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
  • All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "参照" menu, including the "基本" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "挿入" menu. The "<visualeditor-dialogbutton-referencelist-tooltip>" is still added via the "挿入" menu.
  • When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
  • All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
  • The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
  • The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead[編集]

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities[編集]

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30. There is a VisualEditor Translation Sprint going on during Wikimania; whether you're in London or not, any contributions are welcome!

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF), 2014年8月9日 (土) 14:40 (UTC)

TemplateData editor soon available on this Wikipedia[編集]

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Hello, my apologies for writing this announcement in English. A tool for editing TemplateData will be deployed to this wiki on Thursday, 9 October. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation (or to change it). You will be able to use it by editing the template's documentation page and clicking the テンプレートドキュメンテーションを管理 button at the top. You can test the TemplateData editor now in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Please see more detailed instructions at Mediawiki.org (those can be translated there, and also imported on this wiki later if you need to). Don't hesitate to contact me if you need further information. Best, --Elitre (WMF)会話) 2014年10月7日 (火) 10:35 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #8—2014[編集]

2014年10月13日 (月) 09:49 (UTC)